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Bob Sackett
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« on: March 20, 2009, 01:28:22 PM »

Friends,


I have known for some time that Snopes.com reflected inaccurate and

very liberal leanings, as well as anti-alternative health leanings, and

therefore my personal recommendation has been to NEVER use them.

The following (untouched) forewarded e-mail should PROOF interesting...

PS  The best site is truthorfiction.com  run by an ex-pastor Bueller.  check it out!


Jim T.


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 Finally we ALL know !!! 

For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it as the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim, and email.

But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind  snopes.com.  Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding.  Well, now we know.  It is run by a husband and wife team.  That's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, and no team of lawyers.  It's just a small operation that began
as a hobby.

David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity, with people believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years some of their answers got people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? 
The reason for the questions and skepticism - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong.  Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues.  I can personally vouch for that complaint.

A few months ago, when my State Farm agent, Bud Gregg, in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelsons' claimed  to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.  In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big execs at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it.  He never called Bud.  In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg that no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm.  Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things!

Then it has been learned the Mikkelsons are very Democrat and extremely liberal.  As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purposeful agenda to discredit anything conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the internet,  with people pointing out the Mikkelsons' liberalism as revealed in their website findings.  Gee, what a shock?

So, I say this now to everyone who goes to www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom-line facts...'proceed with caution.' Take what it says at face value and nothing more.  Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources yourself.  Plus, you can always google a subject and do the research yourself.  It now seems apparent that's all the Mikkelsons do.  After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things. Now I have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com
 

 

 

 
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 01:29:10 AM »

Just looking around on truthorfiction.com and came across this which I have not yet heard:

Summary of eRumor:
It is alleged that Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has introduced a bill in congress to create a new cabinet level agency called "The Department of Peace."
 
 
 The Truth:
This is true.

According to congressman's website, the bill would create the agency, which would be "...dedicated to peacemaking and the study of conditions that are conducive to both domestic and international peace."  It would also establish a peace academy, create the position of Secretary of Peace, and designate each January 1 as Peace Day.
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 02:04:29 AM »

Just looking around on truthorfiction.com and came across this which I have not yet heard:

Summary of eRumor:
It is alleged that Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has introduced a bill in congress to create a new cabinet level agency called "The Department of Peace."
 
 
 The Truth:
This is true.

According to congressman's website, the bill would create the agency, which would be "...dedicated to peacemaking and the study of conditions that are conducive to both domestic and international peace."  It would also establish a peace academy, create the position of Secretary of Peace, and designate each January 1 as Peace Day.
 
 
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 06:44:18 AM »


It is alleged that Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has introduced a bill in congress to create a new cabinet level agency called "The Department of Peace."

Memo to Rep. Kucinich: This department already exists, but it is above the federal level. It is headed by a Prince instead of a secretary.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 11:04:41 AM »

Bob

So I go to truthorfiction.com  and type in snopes.com

Here is link to the whole article

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/snopes.htm 

And here is a quote from the article.

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Snopes.com is an excellent site that has become an authoritative source for information about urban legends and forwarded emails. We regard David and Barbara Mikkelson, the founders and operators of Snopes.com, as colleagues and professional researchers who have earned a good reputation for what they do.


Interesting.

Here are some of my observations.

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But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind  snopes.com.

CNN knew in 2004   http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/02/sm.05.html

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Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding
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Wikipedia started in 2001 and is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the world; anyone can edit it.  The first post in Wikipedia about snopes.com was written on February 14, 2004  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snopes&oldid=2411032



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Well, now we know.  It is run by a husband and wife team.  That's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, and no team of lawyers.  It's just a small operation that began
as a hobby.

Five days later, the fact that Mikkelsons run site was added http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snopes&oldid=2557937

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After a few years it gained popularity, with people believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years some of their answers got people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation?
 

This was first noted in Wikipedia on September 3, 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snopes&oldid=5850137

 They give a link to site that lists accusations against snopes.   http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968235/posts

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The reason for the questions and skepticism - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong.

This is statement from snopes.com  FAQ page  http://snopes.com/info/faq.asp

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Q: How do I know the information you've presented is accurate?

A:  We don't expect anyone to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic, which is why our site's name indicates that it contains reference> pages. Unlike the plethora of anonymous individuals who create and send the unsigned, unsourced e-mail messages that are forwarded all over the Internet, we show our work.  The research materials we've used in the preparation of any particular page are listed in the bibliography displayed at the bottom of that page so that readers who wish to verify the validity of our information may check those sources for themselves.


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A few months ago, when my State Farm agent, Bud Gregg, in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelsons' claimed  to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.  In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big execs at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it.  He never called Bud.  In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg that no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm.  Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things!

And here is link to snopes.com response:   http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/chicken.asp   

In this article, they offer their side of story saying that they did contact State Farm and they post State Farm's response along with references.

Bottom line, do the research.  Anyone can type an email.

[bible]Acts 17:11[/bible]

In defense of Bob's observations, I have stated before that I have also noted  snopes.com does lean to the left.    Truthorfiction.com is more "conservative".

Here is a little more about truthorfiction.com

http://www.truthorfiction.com/about.htm





Here is a source I did find to be 100% reliable.

http://www.biblegateway.com



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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2009, 01:22:03 PM »

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I have not posted any thing yet on this.  I just posted the info from Jim T. ( who I do know personally )

No I do not trust Snopes as a final authority at all any more.

They may post their research but the research may be done on liberal sites to begin with.

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